Eighteen months after the promulgation of the new constitution in September 2015, political parties have still not been able to resolve key issues. The attempt to amend the constitution for the second time has failed and the deadlock between three major forces and Madheshi parties has put May 14 local election in jeopardy. Is Nepal’s constitution fundamentally flawed and in need of repeated amendments? How do we see the third amendment bill registered in the parliament on Tuesday? What is the way out of this impasse? Constitutional expert and Dean of Kathmandu University School of Law, Bipin Adhikari, shared his insights with Mahabir Paudyal and Ashok Dahal.

 Both the amendment bills (the one that was withdrawn and the one registered on Tuesday) have been brought to prevent people from giving their verdict on the constitution.
 The new amendment proposal will disenfranchise around 1,488 members of local bodies of their right to choose National Assembly members.
 The amendment proposal seems like a coordinated conspiracy to thwart the emergence of competent leaders from the local base.
 Any boundary issue should be jointly resolved by the provincial and federal parliaments.
 There seems to be a plot to make this constitution redundant before people even realize what it has to offer to them.

There have been demands for the constitution’s wholesale amendment since the time of its promulgation in 2015. Is the new constitution so flawed?

In some places, our constitution is clumsy as it is heavily worded and there are many political statements. But, fundamentally, this constitution is a good one. It has brought a paradigm shift in Nepali politics on four fronts. One, the constitution has a clear roadmap to ensure inclusion.

Inclusion has been enshrined as a fundamental right. A Nepali can file a writ at the court if the state fails to live up to this promise. Second, the constitution has institutionalized federalism as a tool for self and shared rule. It has provided for three levels of government. The third tier, which is local government and which has direct bearing on lives of people at the grassroots, has been given special powers and functions.

Third, this constitution has created institutions like Madheshi, Women, Muslim and Janajati commissions so that the marginalized communities can have their voices heard and to ensure their meaningful participation in politics. Finally, we have adopted the most desirable electoral system. The first-past-the-post system allows the political parties to push their ideologies, while proportional representation honors ethnic and regional dimensions of representation. This is why I say this constitution represents a paradigm shift in our politics.

If it is so good, how do we make sense of persistent voices of protests against it?

Two factors have contributed to this. Those who have seen, or have been made to see, only flaws in the constitution have either not understood the merits of this constitution or they are pretending they do not understand. They seem unaware of how the country will make a political and economic leap when the three levels of elections take place and local, provincial and federal governments start functioning. Or they have been misled. And then there is a deliberate attempt to turn this country into a collection of ethnic camps (jaatiya sibir). These people see everything through ethnic lens. If you read this constitution through ethnic lens you may not find anything worthwhile for you because the constitution does not create ethnic base (jaatiya purbadhhar) for every single ethnic community. Some forces want Nepal to be perennially instable. These elements are speaking against implementation of this constitution. In terms of its content, there is little to criticize in this constitution.

The government has withdrawn the second constitution amendment bill and registered a new one in the parliament. How are we to understand this?

In a democracy it is abnormal for political forces that promulgate the constitution to keep amending it without taking people’s feedback even once. Normally, framers of a constitution take the document to the people for their approval. They do so by holding elections as per the provisions of the constitution. Supporters of constitution persuade voters by defending the constitution. The dissenting forces point to its flaws, if any, to bring people to their side. But this is not happening in Nepal.

Election provides an opportunity for people to show whether they accept or reject the constitution. Those who are not satisfied with it can ask people to vote in their favor so that they can remove the supposed flaws in the constitution when they are elected. If people are not happy with the constitution, they will vote for dissenting forces.

Instead of letting people decide, the focus of our parties has been to amend the constitution. Both the amendment bills (the one that was withdrawn and the one registered on Tuesday) have been brought to deprive people from giving their verdict on the constitution. There is a visible attempt to entrap the country’s political leadership, by both domestic and foreign elements. This is wrong. The constitution should be amended only through a fresh mandate. Yes, the parties can question some provisions but they must take people’s mandate before seeking amendments. Today there is an attempt to completely ignore people’s aspirations.

In terms of its content, what is wrong with third constitution amendment bill?

There were problems in the second amendment bill as well. But the third bill is even more problematic. The constitution has provided for three levels of government. And the local government had been empowered because it is the one directly linked with the grassroots. As such the constitution had granted powers to the local level and made it an integral part of National Assembly. As per the constitution, the chief and deputy chief of local bodies become members of Electoral College that elects National Assembly, thereby making them custodians of the federal system. The new amendment proposal will disenfranchise around 1,488 such members of their right to choose National Assembly members. This is a direct attack on local government.
The local level can play an instrumental role in the development of local leadership. The leaders groomed and elected at local level have the potential to later assume leadership at provincial and federal levels. The amendment proposal seems like a coordinated conspiracy to thwart the emergence of competent leaders from the local base. Those at the negotiating table with the government seem to be guided by the fear that the competent leaders who emerge from the local level may make them irrelevant. They are trying to retain their space in provincial politics by decimating local levels. And they are doing this by putting the future of grassroots democracy in jeopardy. This is a big threat to our local government system. People should see through this design.

New amendment proposal states that federal parliament may alter boundary of provinces even without the consent of respective province. What do you make of this?

You can always find an international practice that backs your point of view. But each country acts as per its specific needs. The fundamental tenet of a federal system is that each unit of federal government exercises some independent powers and some shared powers. The power to amend the constitution falls under shared powers, which means both provincial and federal parliaments should have their say in such amendments. Reserving this right exclusively for the federal parliament violates this principle. You cannot take one province into confidence and ignore the aspirations of people of other provinces, for all provinces are equal stakeholders in federalism.
Shared powers of provinces and federal parliament should be decisive in altering provincial boundaries. What is objectionable about the current proposal is the provision that two-thirds majority of federal parliament can alter provincial boundaries if provincial assemblies have not been formed. The intention seems to be to tamper with provincial boundaries to suit certain interests.
The most ridiculous point in the new amendment proposal is the provision of a permanent federal commission to resolve boundary issues. The only thing that this will do is keep the old seed of discord alive in perpetuity by changing provincial boundaries without getting people’s feedback on this vital issue. Any boundary issue should be jointly resolved by the provincial and federal parliaments, and as per Article 274 of the constitution. A permanent commission is unnecessary.

Madheshi forces argue that local election is meaningless as local units can’t function unless provincial assemblies are first formed.

The general practice is to hold national election first. First the federal parliament election is held and then it finalizes legislation for provinces and local units. Then the provincial election is held followed by local election. This should have been the case in normal times. But these are not normal times. We must hold all three sets of elections before January, 2018. So where you start is a secondary issue. This is no time to debate which election should take first. We need to hold local election and then move towards elections of provincial and federal parliaments. Madheshi forces insist that local levels should remain under provinces. But this is not what the constitution has envisioned. It has envisaged three levels of government, each with defined powers and responsibilities. We should also understand that local units have been given requisite autonomy and powers so as to empower all local stakeholders including Janajatis, women, Madheshis and Dalits.

Let us assume local election is successfully held but the country is not able to hold the other two elections on time. Will the local units function then?

They will, for sure. But for this the current parliament needs to enact legislation to make them functional, in case federal election cannot be held. Elections should not be stopped under any pretext. Let the people choose their future leaders. Madheshis will decide whom to elect as their leaders for the future. So will Janajatis and other groups.

What in your view is the biggest challenge for the implementation of the new constitution?
The biggest threat to constitution implementation is this tendency to take vital decisions without letting people have their say on crucial political and constitutional issues. Proxy forces take decision in the name of people without consulting them. This tendency is dangerous. An overwhelming majority of people welcome this constitution and they want to participate in the political process as per its provisions. Let local election happen and let the people experience how the constitution has empowered them. There seems to be a plot to make this constitution redundant before people even realize what it has to offer to them. Any constitutional issue can be reviewed or changed, but only by elected provincial and federal parliaments. The 744 local executives which are going to be formed after May 14 election will change the political landscape of the country because this will bring to power Dalits, Janajatis, women and Madheshis.

But there has been a tendency in Nepal since the 1990 democratic changes of trying to push through with political agendas without people’s consent. An extra-constitutional force is created to derail the democratic and political process. The big challenge is to overcome this tendency. The first condition for effective implementation of the new constitution is holding all three elections by the January 2018 deadline.

अहिले चलिरहेको निर्वाचन भर्सेस संविधान संशोधनको रस्साकस्सी के हो ?
निर्वाचन भनेको सरकारको छनोटको कुरा होइन, सरकारको बाध्यता र नागरिकको अधिकार हो । त्यो बाध्यता बुझ भनेर नै ७ माघ २०७४ को समयसीमा दिइएको हो । यो समयसम्म तीन तहको चुनाव गरेर संविधानलाई जनता माझमा लैजाने अवसर हो । संविधानको विरोध गर्नेहरूले जलाउन पनि पाउँछन् । जसले संविधानलाई उपलब्धि भन्छन्, उनीहरूले त्यसका आधारमा राजनीति गर्छन् । जनताले जसलाई म्याण्डेट दिन्छन्, त्यसले संविधानको भविष्य निर्धारण गर्छ । सर्वत्र यही चलन हो ।

हाम्रोमा भने संविधान बनाउनेले पनि निर्वाचनलाई नियतवश टार्दै लगे । संविधान जारी गर्नेहरूले दुईतिहाइ बहुमत ल्याएरै गरेका छन्, तर उनीहरुले नै संविधान आओस्, गर्नुपर्ने संशोधन गर्छौं भनेर पहिल्यै कैफियतको वातावरण बनाइदिए । पहिलो संशोधन पनि गरे । लेखिएको संविधानको मान्यता अनुसार संविधानसभाले संविधान जारी गर्ने हो । संशोधन गर्ने म्यान्डेट संविधानसभाबाट रुपान्तरित संसद्सँग छँदै छैन । एकपटक पनि जनतामाझ नगई संशोधन कसरी गर्ने ? एउटै म्यान्डेटले संविधान जारी गर्ने र पटक–पटक संविधान संशोधन गर्ने ? यो प्रक्रियामा जनमतको इज्जत गरिएन ।

त्यसो भए ३१ वैशाखको चुनाव संविधान जनअनुमोदनको एउटा प्रक्रिया हो ?
३१ वैशाखको मात्र होइन, तीनै तहको चुनाव । तीनै तहको चुनावबाटै परिकल्पना गरिएको संघीयताले आकार ग्रहण गर्ने हो । संघीयताका लागि धेरै आन्दोलन र पक्ष–विपक्षमा मूठभेड भएका छन् । अहिले पनि हामी जनप्रतिनिधिकै शासनमा छौं, तर संविधान जनताले अनुमोदन गर्ने प्रक्रियामा गएको छैन । जनताले अनुमोदन नगरी पहिले केपी ओली सरकारले बलमिच्याइँ गरेर संशोधन गर्‍यो । जनप्रतिनिधिले टुंगो लगाइदिने तर जनतालाई यो प्रक्रियामा सामेल नगराउने सोचाइका कारण अहिले आन्दोलन भइरहेको छ ।

तपाईंले संविधान अनुमोदन गर्ने भन्नुभयो, चुनावमा जनसहभागिता न्यून भयो भने त्यसलाई संविधानसँग जोडेर हेर्न सकिन्छ ?
निर्वाचनमा संविधान पक्षधरले पक्षमा र विरोध गर्नेहरूले विपक्षमा नारा लगाए भयो । मतदानमा हाम्रो राष्ट्रिय औसत ५५–६५ प्रतिशत हाराहारीमा छ, त्यति मतदान नभए यो संविधानमा जनविश्वास कम छ भन्ने मान्नुपर्छ । जुन म्यान्डेटबाट जारी गरियो, त्यसअनुसार कार्यान्वयन नहुँदा फ्रान्समा संविधान जारी भएको दुई वर्षमै बदर गरियो ।

संविधान संशोधन कतिबेला आवश्यक हुन्छ ?
संविधानसभाले वारेसको हैसियतमा संविधान बनाएको हो । जनप्रतिनिधि भनेको जितेर आएको वारेस हो । वारेसले जसका लागि बनायो, उसैलाई लगेर बुझाउने हो । संविधान निर्माणको लागि गठन गरिएको संविधानसभाले आफ्नो ‘आउटपुट’ दिइसक्यो । त्यसक्रममा उसले आफ्नो सम्पूर्ण अधिकार खपत गरिसक्यो । अहिलेको रुपान्तरित संसद्ले निर्वाचनका लागि कानून बनाउने, निर्वाचनमा जाने अनि नयाँ सत्तालाई शक्ति हस्तान्तरण गर्ने हो । रुपान्तरित संसद्बाटै संशोधन गर्ने कुरा संविधानले चिताएकै छैन । पहिलो संशोधन नै गलत थियो । गलत प्रयोगले संवैधानिक मान्यताहरू कमजोर हुन्छन् । अब दोस्रो गल्ती गर्नुहुँदैन ।

संशोधन गर्ने हो भने नयाँ म्यान्डेट लिएर आउनुपर्‍यो । जे जस्तो संविधान जारी भएको छ, त्यसबारे निर्वाचनमा छलफल हुनुप¥यो । संशोधन चाहेकाले चुनावमार्फत संशोधनको अजेण्डा लैजानुप¥यो र निर्णय लिने अधिकारी जनतालाई मान्नुपर्‍यो । देशलाई त्यो प्रक्रियामा जान नदिनु अहिलेको मूल समस्या हो । विरोध गर्नेहरूले चुनावमार्फत संविधानको हैसियत के हो भनेर देखाउनुपर्नेमा अर्कै कुरा गरिरहेका छन् । यो संविधानमा आपत्ति रहेको भन्दै आफूहरू दुईतिहाइमा नपरेको बताइरहेका छन् । अर्थात् उनीहरू आफूले पाएको भोटभन्दा बढी शक्ति पाउनुपर्ने दाबा गरिरहेका छन् ।

संविधान जारी गर्नेबेलादेखि नै संशोधनको कुरा आएको थियो नि !
कतिपयले यो संविधान जारी नै नगर, सबैलाई चित्तबुझ्ने ल्याऊ भनिरहेका थिए, तर जातीय राजनीति गरिएको नेपालमा सबैको चित्त बुझ्ने संविधान सम्भव थिएन । अन्ततः संविधान अंकगणित नै हो, किनभने त्यहाँ मतदान हुन्छ । मतको परीक्षण संवेदनाले होइन, मतदानले गर्छ । मत विभाजन भएको बेला सर्वस्वीकार्य संविधान बन्नै सक्दैन ।

संविधान विभिन्न शक्तिबीचको लेनदेनको दस्तावेज भएकाले एउटा प्रमुख शक्ति छुट्यो, त्यससँग लेनदेन गर्न बाँकी छ भनेर संशोधन अवश्यंभावी कुरा हो भन्नेहरू पनि छन् नि !
त्यो प्रमुख शक्ति को हो त ? आठजना नेताले प्रमुख शक्ति हामी हो भन्दा स्वीकार गर्ने कि जनताबाट निर्माण हुन दिने ? अबको निर्वाचनबाट यत्रो समावेशी सांसद्हरू आउँदैछन् भने नयाँ शक्तिको आकारप्रकार पनि निस्केला नि ! त्यस्तो आकार लिने अवसर चुनावले नै दिन्छ । संविधानको विरोध गर्नेहरूले जनतालाई आफ्नो कुरा बुझाएर प्रतिनिधित्व बढाएर आउन सक्नुपर्‍यो । अनि दुईतिहाइबाट संशोधन गर्न सक्नुपर्‍यो । बाटो त्यही हो ।

त्यसो भए यो संविधानको राजनीतिक वैधता आजको राजनीतिक यथार्थतासँग मेल खाँदैन ?
धेरैले शास्त्रसम्मत कुरा गर्नै छाडेका छन् । जनप्रतिनिधिहरूले गरेको ‘कप्रोमाइज’ लाई जनताले स्वीकार गर्छन् भन्ने मान्यता राखिएको छ । यो मान्यता प्रभावशाली बन्दै गएको छ, तर यो गलत हो । प्रतिनिधित्व भनेको वारेसको हैसियत हो । वारेसले जति पाएको हो, उति गर्नुपर्छ । बाँकी कामको लागि त जनतामै जानुपर्छ । कतिपयले जनमत संग्रहमा जाऔं पनि भन्ने गरेका छन् । क्षमता छ भने त्यता जानुपर्‍यो, तर कसैले पनि संविधानलाई जनमत संग्रहमा लैजाउँ भनेको छैन । कसैले दुईतिहाइलाई नै अस्वीकार गरिरहेको छैन । अब निर्वाचनमा जाउँ, को कति पानीमा छ त्यहाँबाट थाहा हुन्छ । चुनावमा संशोधनको अजेण्डा पनि लिएर जानुपर्‍यो, संशोधनको प्रस्ताव पनि लेखेर ल्याउन सक्नुपर्‍यो, मत पाएर संशोधन गर्नुप¥यो ।

अहिले मधेशलाई बदनाम बनाइयो, मधेशीको सोच आम नेपालीको भन्दा फरक छ जस्तो देखाइयो । मधेश भनिएको ठाउँमा पहाड पार्न दिइएको छैन । यो मान्यता राखेकाहरूले भोट माग्न जानुपर्‍यो नि ! जनताको भावना जितेर प्रादेशिक र राष्ट्रिय निर्वाचन पनि जित्नुपर्‍यो । उनीहरू हिन्दी भाषा चाहियो भनिरहेका छन् । मतदातासँग हाम्रो माग हिन्दी भाषा हो, भोट देऊ भन्न सक्नुपर्‍यो । अजेण्डा हुनेहरूले जनाधार बनाएर माथि जाने हो । तर उनीहरू पहिले संविधान संशोधन भनिरहेका छन् ।

नेपालमा पहिलो पटक ४० देखि ५० प्रतिशत महिला र ३२ प्रतिशत मधेशीको प्रतिनिधित्व स्थानीय संसद्मा हुनेवाला छ । नौ हजार जति जनजातिले त्यही निर्वाचनबाट स्थानीय निकायमा प्रतिनिधित्व गर्दैछन् । अब उनीहरूको समर्थन विना कुनै पनि अजेण्डा स्थानीय तहमा पारित हुन सक्दैन । नयाँ संविधानको आठौं अनुसूचीले स्थानीय संसद्लाई २२ वटा अधिकार दिएको छ । सरकारको हरेक प्रकारका अधिकार ती निकायले पाएका छन् । ७४४ इकाईबाट ३६ हजार युनिटमार्फत प्रतिनिधिहरू जितेर आउँछन् । अबको चुनावबाट केन्द्रमा जानेको निर्धारण उनीहरूले नै गर्छन् । यो कुरालाई महत्व नदिनु भनेको अचम्म हो ।

माओवादी आन्दोलनको पहिलो प्रहार नै प्रजातन्त्रमाथि भयो । मतदाताको राजनीति शुरु भइसकेको बेला उनीहरूलाई संसद्मा आफ्नो हैसियत चार जनामा मात्र रहेछ भन्ने लाग्यो अनि हतियार उठाए । सबैलाई त्यही बानी पर्न थालेको छ । नेपालमा यस्तै गलत प्रक्रियाबाट आफ्नो माग पूरा हुन्छ भन्ने परेको छ ।

संविधान जारी भएको डेढ वर्ष बितिसकेको छ । यो अवधिमा संविधानको अवस्था कस्तो रह्यो ?
संसद्मा सबभन्दा पहिले निर्वाचन प्रणाली सुधारका लागि नयाँ व्यवस्थाको मापदण्डहरू तयार पार्ने र त्यो काम गर्न ढिलो भए पनि जसरी हुन्छ, निर्वाचन सम्पन्न गरौं भन्ने आधारमा कामहरू भइरहेको छ । राजनीतिक दल र निर्वाचनसँग सम्बन्धित ऐन आएका छन् । संविधानको व्यापक धरातल निर्माण गर्ने कुरा भने हुनसकेको छैन । संविधान पूर्ण लागू गर्न ३०० भन्दा बढी ऐनहरू बनाउनुपर्छ । त्यतापट्टि गृहकार्य भएकै छैन । त्यसको नेतृत्व सरकारले लिन नसक्दा प्रशासनिक संयन्त्रले काम गर्न सकिरहेको छैन ।

संविधानको मापदण्ड अनुसार हुनुपर्ने समावेशी नियुक्ति हुन सकिरहेको छैन । त्यो काम नयाँ सरकारले गर्छ भनेर कुर्न आवश्यक थिएन । राजदूतलगायत नियुक्ति समावेशी बनाएको भए धेरैलाई संविधान कार्यान्वयनको चरणमा गएको आभास हुन्थ्यो । यस्तै, चुनाव ढिला हुँदा संविधानको ‘लेजिटिमेसी’ कमजोर हुन्छ । संविधानमा लेखेको मसी सुक्नुभन्दा पहिल्यै निर्वाचन गराएको भए जनताले व्यापक अधिकार प्रयोग गर्न पाइसकेका हुन्थे । त्यो नहुँदा निर्वाचन नचाहने तत्वहरूले खेल्ने मौका पाएका छन् ।

भोट हाल्न नपाएका जनता चुनावको मिति कुरेर बसेका छन् । चुनावपछि धेरै कुरामा परिवर्तन आउँछ भन्नेमा मानिसहरू विश्वस्त छन् । सरकारको तर्फबाट भने उत्साहजनक काम हुनसकेको छैन ।

संविधानको भविष्य र प्रभावकारिताको विषयमा चिन्ता व्यक्त हुने गरेको छ । यो कत्तिको स्वाभाविक हो ?
अहिलेको संविधान समावेशी र संघीय छ । जनता परिचालन गर्ने संयन्त्रहरू छन् । सरकारले चाहे उत्साहजनक रुपमा काम गर्ने बाटो पाएको छ । कानूनी हिसाबले संविधानले ‘डिरेक्सन’ लिन नसकेर अधिनायकवादमा जान थाल्यो भने संविधानको कार्यकारी शक्तिको प्रयोग कसरी गर्ने भन्ने कुरा संविधानमै छन् । सुरक्षा संयन्त्र, न्याय प्रणाली र स्थानीय प्रशासनमा केन्द्रीय सरकारको अंकुश अरुभन्दा प्रभावकारी हुनसक्ने ठाउँहरू छोडिएको छ । सही प्रयोग भए धेरै ठूलो परिवर्तन हुन सक्छ । निर्वाचनबाट असल नेतृत्व चयन गर्न नागरिक समाजले वातावरण बनाउनुपर्छ । हिजो अवसर नपाएकालाई नेतृत्वमा आउने वातावरण बनाउन नागरिक समाजले अभियान थाल्नुपर्छ ।

नागरिक समाजले त्यो काम गर्न सम्भव देख्नुहुन्छ ?
तीन सयभन्दा बढी एफएम रेडियो र नागरिक समाजले चुनावलाई ठूलो अभियानको रुपमा जनतामाझ लग्यो भने परिवर्तन हुन्छ । ठूला पार्टीले ठूलो क्षमता राख्न नसकेकोमा आम मानिसमा निराशा छ । चुनावमा नयाँ र सक्षम नेतृत्व ल्याउने अभियान चलाउँदा जनतामा तरंग आउँछ । गाउँगाउँमा शक्तिको स्वरुप परिवर्तन भइसकेको छ । स्थानीय नेताहरूलाई चुनौती दिएर युवाहरू निर्वाचनको माहोल बनाउँदैछन् । उनीहरू हिजोलाई चुनौती दिन चाहन्छन् । उनीहरू अहिलेकै संविधानलाई स्वीकारेर सुधार प्रक्रियामा जान चाहन्छन् । सबभन्दा ठूलो परिवर्तन शक्ति सन्तुलनमा आउनेवाला छ । राजनीतिलाई जसले टिकाएको वा पकडमा राखेको छ, अब तिनीहरूको समीक्षा हुन्छ । उनीहरूको हैसियतमाथि नै चुनौती हुन्छ ।

स्थानीय चुनावले नेपालको राजनीतिमा ‘पाराडाइम सिफ्ट’ नै ल्याउँछ भन्न खोज्नुभएको हो ?
यो निर्वाचनले पुराना जो जस्ता नेता छन्, उनीहरू सबैलाई ‘डिफेन्सिभ’ बनाइदिन्छ । धेरैजना स्वतन्त्र उम्मेदवार आउँदैछन् । पार्टीहरूमा ‘स्वीचओभर’, ‘क्रसओभर’ हुने सम्भावना पनि देखिन्छ । नयाँ–नयाँ पार्टी पनि आइरहेका छन् ।

अहिले प्रमुख भनिएका मुद्दाहरू चुनावपछि प्रमुख नरहन सक्छन् । जस्तो, अहिले उठिरहेको ‘ओबीओआर’ को विषयमा ढिलो हुनुमा भारतलाई राम्रो नलागेर भनिरहेका छौं । देशमा पूर्वाधार विकासको काम अघि बढाउनुपर्ने बेला हामी यस्तो कुरा गरिरहेका छौैं । चुनावबाट आएका नयाँ प्रतिनिधिहरू त्यसो नभन्लान् । अबको नेतृत्वले हिजोकाले जस्तो सम्झौताको राजनीति नगर्लान् ।

निर्वाचन आयोगलाई बलियो बनायौं भने संविधानको धारा ४२ (१) ले धेरै ठूलो परिवर्तन ल्याउँछ । यो कुरा राजनीतिक दलहरूले बुझेका छैनन् । त्यो परिवर्तनले हजारौं जनजाति, दलित, मधेशीलाई निर्णयकर्ता बनाइदिन्छ । प्रादेशिक निर्वाचनमा दलहरूले अहिले जितेका मान्छेहरूसँग ‘कम्प्रोमाइज’ गर्नुपर्छ । हिजोको शक्ति सन्तुलन अब काम लाग्दैन ।

वडादेखि नै परिवर्तन हुने शक्ति सन्तुलनले केन्द्रीय राजनीतिमा कस्तो परिवर्तन ल्याउला ?
अबको वडामा चार–चार जनाबीचमा हुने निर्वाचनपछि एउटा अध्यक्ष चुनिन्छ । यसको अर्थ नेतृत्व क्षमता गाउँसम्म पुग्छ । घैंटामा पानी भरेर खाने ठाउँमा ‘लिडरसिप डिफाइन’ हुन्छ । पोलिटब्यूरो र केन्द्रीय समितिले निर्णय गर्छ भनिरहेका पार्टीहरूको संयन्त्रले लोकतन्त्रीकरणको दबाब खेप्नुपर्छ । अब पार्टीभित्रैबाट केन्द्रीकृत व्यवस्थाको विरोध हुन थाल्छ । संविधानमा स्थानीय तहको २२ वटा अधिकारको अनुसूची मात्र होइन, साझा सूची पनि छ । क्षमताका आधारमा अधिकार तान्न सक्ने वातावरण बनेको छ । केन्द्रको शक्ति स्थानीय तहमा पुग्ने यो महत्वपूर्ण परिवर्तन हो ।

सीमांकनको विषयमा धेरै शत्रुतापूर्ण अभिव्यक्तिहरू आए, तर संविधानमा त्यस्तो केही कुरा छैन । १४ प्रदेशबाट शुरु गरेका भारतीयहरूले आजसम्म २९ पुर्‍याइसके । देशमा स्थायित्व, राष्ट्रिय सुरक्षाको ग्यारेन्टी भएपछि अरु कुराले अर्थ राख्दैन । लोकतन्त्र बलियो भएपछि भारतीयहरूले प्रदेश टुक्र्याए । अब भारतलाई विखण्डनको चिन्ता छैन । त्यो दिनमा त हामी पनि पुगौंला, तर पुग्ने बाटो भनेको डेमोक्रेसी र नेशनलिजम् नै हो । शक्तिको स्रोत जनता नभएर अन्यत्र छन् भनेर चुनाव हुन दिइँदैन भने चाहिं त्यो ‘न्याकेड आर्गुमेन्ट’ हो ।

केन्द्रमा स्थानीय निर्वाचन भर्सेस संविधान संशोधनको अवस्था किन देखिएको ?
केन्द्रीय प्रतिनिधित्व चयनको विषयलाई यहीको नागरिक समाज र आम जनताले प्रभावित गर्न सकेनन् । आम जनताको प्रभावी हुने चुनाव नहुँदा निश्चित हुने रणनीतिक प्रयोग कुन रुपमा गर्न सकिन्छ र नेपालको लोकतन्त्रलाई कसरी धरापमा पारेर आफ्ना स्वार्थहरू पूरा गर्ने भन्ने योजनाहरू बनाइँदै छन् । भारतीय अजेन्डालाई नेपाली जनताकहाँ पुग्नै नदिइकन हिजो आफूलाई अनुगृहित बनाउने मान्छेबाट दबाब दिएर काम गराउँ भन्ने खालको सोच देखिन्छ । राष्ट्रिय राजनीतिमा देशप्रति कुनै पनि खालको प्रतिबद्धता छैन, तर चुनावमार्फत नयाँ नेतृत्व आयो भने हुन्छ ।

अहिले उठिरहेको संविधान संशोधनको माग नयाँ नेतृत्वबाट आए आपत्तिजनक हुँदैन ?
जितेर आएका प्रतिनिधिले आफ्नो प्रतिनिधित्वलाई परिष्कृत गर्दै लैजान्छ, संविधान संशोधन गर्नै पर्ने भए सोचेबुझेर गर्छ । अहिले एक टुक्रा पहाड मधेशमा मिलाउन नहुने कारण के हो, थाहा छैन । उनीहरू चुनावको प्रक्रियाबाट यो कुरा आओस् भन्न चाहँदैनन्, अरु मान्छेहरूलाई किनारामा राखेर ‘नेगोसियट’ गरौं भनिरहेका छन् । जनताको प्रतिनिधि संसद्मा आएर संशोधनको कुरा गर्नुपर्‍यो नि !

संविधानसभाबाट संविधान जारी भएका मुलुकहरूलाई हेर्दा हाम्रो संविधानलाई लिएर अहिले भइरहेका टीकाटिप्पणी स्वाभाविक, अस्वाभाविक के हो ?
हामी संविधानसभामा गएको समय सही थिएन । किनकि, हाम्रो डेमोक्रेसी पहिले नै ‘इभोलुसनरी प्रोसेस’ मा गइसकेको थियो । इन्स्टिच्युसनहरू बनिसकेका थिए । तर त्यो बाटोमा जान दिइएन । माओवादीको उत्पत्तिमै नेपाल प्रजातान्त्रिक रुपमा बलियो राष्ट्र नबनोस् भन्ने नियत देखिन्छ । प्रजातन्त्र भनेको घरदैलोबाट निस्कने कुरा हो । माथिल्लो तहमा हुने सम्झौतालाई प्रजातन्त्र भनिए पनि त्यो ‘नेशनलिष्ट’ नहुन सक्छ । शुरुआतमै हाम्रो प्रजातन्त्र ‘नेशनलिष्ट हुन सकेन । आम नेपालीलाई प्रजातान्त्रिक विषय र यसको संरचनाबारे ज्ञान हुन थाल्दै गर्दा तिमी शून्यबाट शुरु गर भनेर घानमा हालियो । आन्दोलनबाट माग पूरा गर्ने खेलहरू भए ।

संविधानसभाबाट जारी संविधानलाई पुनर्लेखन गर्ने काम भयो भने असफल हुने सम्भावना बढ्छ । नेपालमा पनि संविधान पुनर्लेखन गर्न खोजियो भने धान्न सकिंदैन । यसले अराजकता सिर्जना गर्छ । राजतन्त्र फाल्दा पनि कुनै बुद्धि, विवेक र प्रक्रिया प्रयोग गरिएन । हामीले परिवर्तन त पायौं, तर त्यससँगै केही कुरा गुमायौं । राजनीतिक निर्णयहरू बाहिर गएर गर्न थालियो । संविधानसभाबाटै संविधान ल्याएको फ्रान्समा १७ पल्टसम्म संविधान लेख्नुपर्‍यो । उनीहरू संविधानसभा र विधानसभामा फरक नहुने अवस्थामा पुगे । भारतमा संविधानसभाको पहिलो वर्षमै लाखौं मान्छे हताहती हुने गरी देश विखण्डनमा गयो ।

‘इभोलुसन’ भनेको एउटा ‘थटफुल प्रोसेस’ हो । कहिल्यै पनि एकैपल्ट हामफाल्ने भन्ने हुँदैन । परिवर्तन विस्तारै आउँछ ।

तपाईंले भने अनुसार त हाम्रो संविधान निकै चुनौतीपूर्ण अवस्थामा देखिन्छ ?
चुनौती त छ, तर जुन ‘कम्प्रोमाइज गरियो त्यो भविष्यमुखी नै छ । परिवर्तनलाई उत्ताउलो हुन नदिनका लागि संविधानमा आवश्यक व्यवस्थाहरू गरिएको छ ।

कस्तो ‘कम्प्रोमाइज’, २०७२ जेठमा भएको जस्तो हो ?
संविधान जारी गर्नुअघि २०७२ जेठमा नै त्यो ‘कम्प्रोमाइज’ गरिएको हो । माग भए अनुसारको जातीय प्रदेश संविधानले नदिए पनि मोटामोटी जातीय क्षेत्र नै दियो । कैफियतमा परेको थारु समुदाय मात्र हो । मधेश नभनेको भए थरुहट पनि नभन्दा हुन्थ्यो । प्रदेश ६ को जुन–जुन क्षेत्रमा थारुको बस्ती छ, त्यसलाई छुट्याएर छुट्टै स्वशासित थरुहट क्षेत्रमा राख्न सकिन्थ्यो, तर त्यसो हुन सकेन । भोलि आउने नेतृत्वले थारुहरूका लागि छुट्टै स्वशासित क्षेत्र र पहिचानको व्यवस्था गर्न सक्छ ।

अहिलेको संरचनाबाट यसरी अवसर बाडौं भन्ने खालको नेतृत्व आउन सक्दैन । न्यायाधीश नियुक्तिमा त्यो कुरा देखिसकिएको छ । जनस्तरसम्मको आफ्नो दायित्व अनुभव गर्न सक्ने नेतृत्व निर्णायक तहसम्म पुग्न सक्नुपर्छ, अब । नेपाली हुँदाहुँदै पनि नागरिकता नपाउनु एउटा कुरा हो, तर विदेशीले पाएन भनेर लडाइँ गरिएको छ । अन्यत्र कतै पनि यसरी नागरिकता दिइँदैन । एकातिर सीमा खुला राख्ने अर्कातिर १०–१० वर्षमा टोली खटाएर नागरिकता बाँड्ने काम भइरहेको छ । यो प्रक्रियाबाट कहिल्यै विषय टुङ्गिंदैन । भारतीयले नेपाली नागरिकता पाएर संसद् ‘क्याप्चर’ नगर्दासम्म यो प्रक्रिया चलाउने प्रयास भइरहन्छ ।

डेमोक्रेसीमा हुर्केको र अटोक्रेसीमा हुर्केको नेशनलिजम्मा के फरक छ ?
नेशनलिजम्लाई ‘ब्रोडबेस्ड’ बनाउन डेमोक्रेसी चाहिन्छ । नेपालका जनजाति समुदायका मानिसहरू विदेशमा मृत्यु हुँदा आफ्नो शव स्वदेश पुर्‍याइयोस् भन्ने चाहना राख्छन् । यो भावनात्मक नेशनलिजम्को सिम्वोल हो । हाम्रो शासन पद्धतिमा परम्परागत आस्थाका केन्द्र र धरोहरहरूमार्फत पनि नेशनलिजम् अभिव्यक्त भएको हुन्छ । जनताको साझा स्वार्थलाई साझा रुपमा ‘आर्टिकुलेट’ गरेर बन्ने नेशनलिजम् ‘ब्रोडबेस्ड’ हुन्छ । यी कुराहरूले हामीलाई देशप्रति प्रतिबद्धता दिन्छ ।

व्यक्तिगत अधिकारबाट अघि बढ्ने वातावरण डेमोक्रेसीले दिन्छ । इन्ट्रेस्टको आर्टिकुलेसन गर्ने भएकोले डेमोक्रेसीले दिने नेशनलिजम् अधिकारमुखी हुन्छ । अरु कुराले दिने नेशनलिजम् धर्तीपुत्रहरूले बोकेर ल्याएका हुन्छन् । नेपालमा रणनीतिक रुपमा नेशनलिजम्को कुरा बाहुनक्षेत्रीले मात्र गर्छ भनियो । उनीहरूलाई शक्तिबाट हुत्याउ भनेर अन्य जातिलाई उक्साइयो । त्यसपछि राजाले अधिकार खोस्यो, उसलाई बिदा गर भनियो । एकताको आधार हिन्दू राज्यलाई पनि बिदा गर भनियो । गोर्खालीले लाखौंको रगत बगाएर स्थापित गरिदिएको मान्यताहरूलाई भताभुंग पार्न लगाइयो । जे–जे गल्तीहरू नहुनु थियो भइसक्यो । अब गर्ने कुरा सबै ‘थटफुल’ मात्र छ ।

लोकतन्त्रले राष्ट्रिय एकता सिर्जना गर्छ, जुन स्थानीय निर्वाचनमार्फत हुँदैछ । पिछडिएका समुदायले यही निर्वाचनमार्फत अधिकारको अभ्यास गर्दैछन् । अहिलेको संविधानले नराम्रो मोड लियो भने त्यसलाई बचाउने शक्ति संघीय सरकारमा छ । यो संविधानको प्रयोग जनतामुखी हिसाबले भयो भने संघीय प्रणालीलाई जाँच्ने व्यवस्था पनि छ । भारतको भन्दा हाम्रो जनआधार राम्रो छ । हाम्रोमा लोकतन्त्र सफल हुने सम्भावना बढी छ ।

तपाईंको विचारमा अहिले गर्नैै नहुने काम के–के हुन् ?
निर्वाचन ढिलो गर्ने काम एकदमै खतरनाक ‘मूभ’ हुनेछ । निर्वाचन नभए मुलुक खिलराज प्रकरणमा फर्कन्छ । र, भन्न सकिंदैन अरु पनि के–के हुन्छ । निर्वाचन नभए संविधान विरोधीहरूले अवसर पाउँछन् । परिवर्तनका लागि जुन नयाँ नेतृत्व चाहिएको छ, त्यो पनि आउन पाउँदैन पुरानो पनि काम लाग्दैन ।

प्रस्तुतिः किरण नेपाल र रामेश्वर बोहरा

Adhikari currently leads Kathmandu University School of Law as its Dean and academic leader.  Even though his forte lies in constitutional law and legal reform issues, he keeps good interest in economic and political issues concerning Nepal, especially the prospect of its development. 

Anna Note’s  Arun Budhathoki and Saroj KC sat down with Dr. Adhikari to talk about the current political scenario of Nepal.

How was your experience in constitution drafting process?

I am glad that the new constitution was finally drafted and adopted by the Constituent Assembly (CA) – II even though the first attempt failed. The effort to strike a compromise between different political parties, ethnic communities, minorities, regional groups and other forces, external and internal, was very difficult. It was an ambitious constitution drafting process – full of emotions, perceptions, ignorance and aspiration.  The issues were not just based on constitutional norms and standards, but the thinking of the people about caste, ethnicity, culture, religion and other aspects of their identity.

Is Nepal’s 2015 constitution really the best constitution in South Asia and the world as claimed by few politicians and analysts from Nepal?

It all depends on what you consider as the best in a constitution. Being a constitution recently drafted, it has many features that you do not find in the constitutions of our immediate neighbors, India and China, and also countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, which were drafted and adopted before. Some features of the Constitution like the new makeup of the parliamentary system that has been adopted, the restructuring of the state, the right to proportional inclusion in the structure of the state, proportional electoral system, the three-tier federal arrangement, and effort to entrench many socio-economic and cultural rights, etc are definitely impressive. The new constitution recognizes secularism, protects diversity and ensures identity and needs of major socio-cultural groups of the country like Dalits, indigenous people, Madhesis, minorities, and Women. It also recognizes Khas people. If you think they make the constitution the best constitution, you have a ground. 

What do you think? Do you take it as a ‘best’ constitution?

I think it is a good constitution which, apart from ensuring democracy and the rule of law, gives many new norms,  standards, and institutions to the Nepalese citizens that the rest of the South Asia and China do not have in their written constitution. Ultimately, not what is in the constitution, but how it is implemented, will speak about its quality. As far as the stakeholders are concerned, as Shakespeare quipped, “modest doubt is called the beacon of the wise.” Good faith implementation is a must. With efforts of all, the new democratic and nationalist orientation to the state. Its evolution should not be shattered from any quarter.

So why are there so many comments?

The CA has produced a document of many difficult compromises. None of the constituents in the Assembly would have accepted the document as a whole if they had the choice or discretion to adopt it on their own strength. The Assembly was too divided on significant constitutional and political issues. No single party had a required majority to pass the constitution. The number of provinces, their demarcation and naming invited difficult choices. The nature of the federal system, the abolition of the monarchy, the change into a secular republic,  themselves were contentious issues. There is distrust between different groups. The natives are quite concerned. So comments on any compromise position are inevitable. Once its implementation starts and democracy contributes to nationalism, the process of evolution will also pick up.

Why do you think the mainstream political parties have ignored the demands of indigenous groups?

It is too much to say that they ignored the demands of indigenous communities. The position of the Constitution on fundamental rights of language, religion, and culture, the concept of secularism, social justice, inclusion and proportional electoral system, etc and the federal framework in an otherwise conservative Unitarian state itself owe much to the demands of the indigenous communities. A Commission on Indigenous People has also been created. The Madhesis of the marginalized communities will be more benefitted by these changes. All political parties now have the obligation to maintain diversity and inclusion.  You can say that extreme positioning on these issues was not possible for any side of the political or ethnopolitical axis.    

Are the claims of Madhesi Morcha valid? Do you think they are achievable?

I do not want to comment on whether their claims are valid or not. They have certain demands for which there is no required support in the parliament at present. Moreover, their effort is not on making a coalition in support of their demand. That requires re-orientation on what is being demanded and softening of existing position. You know that these demands are related with the boundary of seven provinces, proportional representation in the National Assembly, citizenship issues, language, and other things.  

What is preventing the Morcha to pursue this path then? 

They want the Constitution amended before elections – even the third tier elections. They have a declared policy that they will not allow the election to be held if their demands remain unfulfilled.  They do not want elections to be the arbiter of political disputes among the political parties. The mainstream parties have also not been able to negotiate with them, and do some give and take. On the issue of representation, there is also a need to make sure that the deprived and less populated mountain and Himalayan regions get the representation by cutting seats of the heavily populated regions and Kathmandu valley. 

What will be the impact of the ongoing agitation, such as the one at Saptari, on the proposed local elections? 

Every political party must behave according to the law of the land. They have the freedom to express opinion and expression the way as individual citizens. As the local elections have already been declared, they also have the right to go to the people, no matter where they want and mobilize them in their favor.  Similarly, the party or the coalition calling agitation has the right to do so. But they should not come on the way in breach of the law and order. 

What about the standards in the use of force by the security agencies? 

Generally, the use of force by law enforcement officers becomes necessary and is permitted under specific circumstances, such as in self-defense or in defense of another individual or group. The excessive use of force must be checked, and those responsible must be subjected to appropriate action. 

In recent years, as has happened in the present case, parties of Nepal call agitation, provoke police and create a situation that results in the death of youths and minors, that helps them by arousing the sentiment of the common folks. This must be stopped. Criminal activities, vandalism, and arson must not be accepted in the name of political opposition. There is no reason why elections should be called off or amendment of the constitution be pursued on the force of such agitation. 

Do you think the third-tier local level elections will occur in Nepal by Jan 2018? If so, will we have a stable government lasting for 4-5 years?

I think the people of Nepal will not be able to see and feel the new constitution graphically until you hold the three-tier elections as planned. 

New coalitions will come up. All women, Dalits, indigenous people, Madhesis and other minorities will find themselves in decision-making structures. There will be a new sort of unity in the country. If there are complications in the Constitution, the newly established parliament will have necessary enthusiasm to propose changes as necessary. So the cutoff date of January 22, 2018, must be complied with. I am sure, left to themselves, the people of Nepal will achieve stability under the new Constitution.

If constitution implementation fails, what will be the political scenario in Nepal? Will the constitution amendment bill go through?

You cannot implement the constitution substantially without holding elections. If there are no elections, and subsequent transfer of power to the newly elected representatives, the new constitution will start losing its relevance. Of course, as we have seen, the politicians will try to amend the constitution through the existing parliament and push the cutoff date for the election to a new date. This amendment will be for the change in the cutoff date for a new regime, not to accommodate the Morcha. This means that Nepal will not be able to leave the existing scenario behind through a fresh mandate. 

Why do you think governments in Nepal last only for few months? What can be done to change this?

I think there are internal as well as external reasons for the instability in Nepal. The change that Nepal has been through was not a thoughtful and planned change led by nationalist people. Once changes were achieved, the politicians who led them became ineffective and irrelevant, as if they have lost that power. Leadership gaps have been painful. National interests have been compromised.  Leaders have not been able to look back to the people. Rather, they want to build on the strength of the outsiders.

What about the role of geopolitics in Nepal’s contemporary constitutional problems?

As a matter of principle, even the geopolitics in the context of Nepal, India and China relationships, or political behavior based on real or perceived geographical variables, could be mutually beneficial and reassuring. But I do not see any encouraging scenario in this regard. Nepal is being affected in several ways. I do not think it has helped to build relations with co-existence and mutual trust. 

What about China’s role? Can China overturn India’s geopolitical game in Nepal?

Ideally, Nepal does not want its neighbors to have opinion or maneuverings on its internal affairs. The first principle is that Nepal should remain a safe country and a country of Nepalese people. It should continue to challenge the role of any other country in its territory whatever is the logic. As for the relationship, Nepal needs to cultivate a relationship of trust with both India and China, and the western countries including the United States. We should not accept either a foreign game plan or a game changer. This should be true in the matter of constitution and democratic processes as well. 

Do you think China has changed its tactics towards Nepal, especially regarding their OBOR initiative? How can India regain its footing in Nepal?

I do not know what are the Chinese tactics. They have their plan and strategies, and they remain stable. The Indian response is also as good. As an ordinary Nepalese, I think the OBOR initiative has significant positive implications for all the neighbors of China. We have been starving of development and infrastructure for long. There is an opportunity now at our doorstep. To make it mutually effective, a warm relationship between China and India and mutual understanding between them is very helpful. Nepal needs Chinese investments as much as it needs Indian investments. But there is no point in accepting the hegemony of any country, whatever the grounds for it.

Can Nepal safeguard its sovereignty in coming days?

No worry about sovereignty. Nepal will survive as it has survived throughout its history. There are internal strengths of Nepal – ancient people, language, religion, culture,  and independent orientation, which will make Nepal impossible to anybody. It is not a new country. It has legacies that can never be washed away. Nepal has neighborhood strengths as well – any neighbor no matter how strong it is cannot make advances in Nepal without agitating another neighbor. That creates sufficient balance in our favor. The western countries which have an interest in Nepal have been our strengths. All Nepal needs is to be a little smart and careful about its changing requirements through effective diplomacy. 

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Dr Bipin Adhikari’s presentation at Induction Programme for Newly Appointed High Court Judges, National Judicial Academy, January 22 – February 17, 2017, National Judicial Academy, Nepal, on the theme of “Constitutionalism in the Context of Judicial Decision Making.”

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B. P. Koirala and National Reconciliation Day 2016 – Interview with Constitutional Expert Dr Bipin Adhikari (Tanka Khanal: Janata Radio, December 31, 2016)